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rgdlljames
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:23 am Reply with quote

Hi Everyone.
I noticed this weekend that my male Leonard was hobbeling around and when I looked to see why this is what I saw...







His toes on his left foot are turning black and getting getting smaller. Any suggestions? What should I do? Can my other birds get it?
He seems fine other than not wanting to move around a lot - looks like he is in a lot of pain when he does move.
Any help would be GREAT!
Thank you!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:27 am Reply with quote

Ooooh, although I'm not certain from the photos, this could be the result of frostbite. My 20-yr-old male lost the tip of one toe (including the nail) from frostbite before I got him. Black toes = necrotic tissue. Can you get him to a vet? Quickly?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:04 pm Reply with quote

That's what it looks like but I really don't understand how it could be.....he has stayed in his hut all winter - never saw him outside at all. Plus their roost has pipe heating tape on them covered by astro turf and that's where his "spot" in the hut is too so he was there most of the time. And our temps outside haven't gotten below freezing but only a few times....I'm stumped! Had a friend that is a vet look at it and she said it looks like necrosis too. She is contacting a bird specialist for me. Not sure what to do for him. It looks like one toe on the other foot is affected too. Poor boy... Sad I'm very sad for him. I did everything I could to keep them warm and everyone else is fine.......even the 8 month olds. Weird!
Thank you for your input too. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:25 pm Reply with quote

We have had devastating results with heat tape wrapped in carpet.Last year we had 3 high end birds lose a entire foot. Another bird lost two toes, and another lost one two. One who make it without losing any toes had proud flesh to deal with for a year. The one without a foot now has a peg leg.

For this reason I would not recommend heat tape unless you have a ultra thick covering around it, check it often including the birds feet, and replace it worn it wet. Some areas seemed hot while others not so hot.

We had moderately thick carpet. We thought the tape itself may have malfunction. But the result was devastating

Exttemities will later on react as froststbite in later stages will react as a 3 degree burns if severe enough.
Toes will become hardened, no longer flexible, cold to the touch, and usually break off.eventually.

Hope only the ends of your birds toes are affected.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:38 pm Reply with quote

Oh My Goodness!!! Thank you SOO Much for letting me know! I will get rid of it when I get home. How horrible to have that happen to your birds. Sad Again, thank you!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:38 pm Reply with quote

Shocked Wow Exclamation Those photos and the replies have educated me
--thereby proving that I am not yet too old to learn Confused
I was raised in Pennsylvania with chickens and do not recall
any problems with their feet but there were frost bitten tips to
chicken combs and, worse yet, rooster wattles that must have
become wet when roosters drank water.
I have ZERO experience with heated roosts and am now very
glad that I do not.
I hope that no more toes are harmed.
Best wishes for recovery.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:09 pm Reply with quote

Wow Jenna! I use heat tape wrapped in industrial type carpet perches every winter and have never had a problem. They have been nothing but a blessing. No more frozen toes! Then again...our winters are extremely cold. At their coldest in the 30 to 40 below 0 range. Therefore they felt barely warm to the touch for me. Maybe it makes a difference of how cold it is outside.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:22 pm Reply with quote

We have been using it for several years on multiple perches and this is a first.
It was also our peach peafowl which makes it even more devastating.

Once a week I wrap one of the hens peg leg. It came off in one piece. Foot and all.
The vet said very similar to frostbite only in reverse.
When I checked the temp the birds started holding their feet up for a day, it was HOT. :jawdrop
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:14 am Reply with quote

Somebody needs to write an article for PEAFOWL TODAY
using these photos and this sad story in order that others
can be warned Idea
Recently I got a letter from Stephanie Tindell asking for
tips or secrets from experienced peafowl breeders for
an article for PEAFOWL TODAY that she was working on.
This letter got lost in the extreme clutter of my computer
desk Embarassed :00ps paperbag
and I am sorry about that. The postmark on the envelope
is Feb 21, 2012.................. Confused

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:09 am Reply with quote

Thanks for everyones well wishing. Leonard is doing ok, still limping around. He won't go outside and appears to be plucking the feathers out on his neck under his head/beak area. only in the front. Weird. I just wormed them all too so shouldn't be that. Maybe nerves or depression.
Ok, the weird thing is I have 13 peafowl total and he is the only one that this happened to. Poor guy...he is so beautiful! This is Loenard about a month ago...



I will get more pics this weekend and share them. If the tape is the reason for this then it really needs to be in Peafowl today to educate everyone! I will gladly send pics for this. I was really excited about this keeping them warm...no idea it would backfire. Sad

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:28 am Reply with quote

The idea of an article sounds good.. Go ahead and write it yourself as you have the photos and first hand knowledge, Just write it as you see it, if you need help there are a number of members that will help you write the atricle..( Stephanie Tindell is good at this ) We always appreciate info from the members to submit their experiences and be printed in the P T . Thanks George connerhills
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:13 pm Reply with quote

Very informative post to read through. Thanks all for sharing. I also learned some new info.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:52 pm Reply with quote

If you want to write a article it sounds like a great idea. Truly can be dangerous to peafowl as we both have found out.
I took some photos which I will have to look for if you might want to use them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:03 pm Reply with quote

This is terrible. I think there are many of us here who have used heated perches for many years and have never heard of this happening until now. It makes me wonder why on earth would a bird stay on a perch if it was hurting their feet? Not all of my birds perch constantly and sit on the floor when they feel like it. You would think the bird would move if it was uncomfortable. I wish I could be inside a birds head and know what they are thinking, how their mind works.

I will probably go on using them as my winters are so harsh. We are always checking to make sure they are working properly and every time I have felt them with my hand in the middle of winter I cannot even feel heat and can barely tell if they are working or not. I know they have saved toes for my birds.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:51 pm Reply with quote

I had the same question, why would the bird sit there and roast.
My vet said it is like boiling water and a lobster. Heat it up slowly and they will slowly boil to death without a fight versus throwing them into the hot water immediately ... Sad
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