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magnificus



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:41 pm Reply with quote

On one of the Australian sites we have a breeder claiming to have a pure "Reverse pied Javan". The link to the photograph of the bird is here - http://peacocksaustralia.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=27 .
This bird has been the subject of much controversy here in Australia. The man that owns this bird, says it is pure. He says he bred the bird and has been working for 16 years or so on this mutation at that it came from pure stock. Now it looks like a pied splading to me and from research it seems this bird was purchased from another breeder in Sydney a couple of years ago, who confirms it is in actual fact a Java x IB. The bird apparently was sold for a very low purchase price as the breeder did not want to keep hybrids himself as he has a very good line of pieds. I have attached a photograph of the original breeders pieds for all to see as they are stunning.
What are the thoughts on the "Reverse Java Pied"???? Remember the "Reverse Pied Java is the link and not the photos attached to this thread. The photos attached are pure IB pied.
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DMFarms
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:18 pm Reply with quote

Maxine
There has never been a mutation out of pure java. Here is one of his early post on there forum


Hi Chevron182, We have been chating via email with two breeders in the USA for last 2 years or so and both have Reverse Pied Java's so not sure where overseas you are refering to? They are NOT crossed with Indian Blues, they (Java Pied)first appeared as a natural mutation Many Many years ago in the USA (California) and possibley other states & countries. Our birds as metion in previous posts are the prodgeny from Imported birds. If someone is telling you that they cross them with Indian Blues then they know little about breeding Peacocks, and even less about Reverse Java Pieds. As far as we are concerned to breed Java Pieds you need at least one Java Pied & one Java Green.


Yes they are a Stunning bird.

We do not Cross Breed nor do we condone it



There has never been a breeder in the US that had these so call pure java pieds they are pied spalding his bird is a cross between a java and blue pieds the only reason he want call them spalding is he said spalding are worth 0 dollars so he would have to give them away for free. It hard to believe there is some people in oz that believe they are mutation out of pure java.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:29 pm Reply with quote

One more thing to consider, the typical pied with that much white requires the involvement of the White gene. So.. if it breeds in the typical Pied fashion, meaning two of these pieds bred together and produce 25% solid whites... think about it, that would call for two independent mutations in Javas(Pied and White).. a bit of a miracle.

Would be interesting to see if someone has pieds from their stock and see what the breeding results of pied x pied. Unless someone already reports or mentions appearance of solid whites from this stock.. frankly in that case, the simpler and more likely answer is it's the result of an outcrossing to introduce both pied and white somewhere in the past. Also realize that if it works in the typical pied manner, it cannot have been result of pied x java.

This does not completely rule out the appearance of a single, new pied mutation with this much effect, there can be, and there are, several independent pied mutant genes in a single species. Dogs have at least 3 or 4 "main" pied genes that are well known, for example.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:16 pm Reply with quote

I was reading thought some of these old post and found this one again and went to Australian Peafowl's website he now has new birds listed.
These are listed on his Price list page.

India Blue Reverse Pied

Australian Charcoal

Australian Charcoal Pied

So, I guess we have been calling ours wrong all these years. So we change the names and raise the prices Laughing
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bcraft



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:39 pm Reply with quote

didn't find price list...did see he now has blue pieds, and whites..also the one jave pied is a silver pied spalding.

Australian is just his farm name.

Reverse ??? pied.

Like to see a pic of his charcoal pied.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:58 pm Reply with quote

When you use the link above it will take you to the picture of the pied, look to you left there's a small button that says "back to website" click on it and you are on his main site just go where you want from there.
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